New Rama hhkb group buy looking very nice.
As a M60-a owner I really like this new one but the existence of the Heavy Grail makes it less exciting for me.
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Their lack of ability to ship out product and running a product multiple times without any samples (KATE keycaps) is worrying.
Itās a nice board that members of the RAMA team designed, but I donāt know if I could say it has aged particularly well considering the KARA is a fantastic board.
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Sheesh - they werenāt kidding when they said that it was coming āvery soonā. I definitely welcome the update. Iāve owned a couple of M60-As but always wondered what it would be like if there was more flexibility around the plate. Iām genuinely intrigued by this but Iād like to know more about it and hopefully see a few build streams and sound tests to learn more.
For me, the Heavy Grail and M60 are in two very different camps; enough that owning one wouldnāt diminish the joy of owning the other.
I use a HG as my daily as Iāve come to prefer Topre these days, but Iāve always lusted over a Mist M60, so Iām considering picking one up. That saidā¦ the rainbow finish sure is purdy, but worried I would grow tired of it quickly.
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I think itās worth noting that this revision of the M60 is using the Karaās revised proportions as itās blueprint - The wider corner radii and rounded features.
Iāve always thought that the M60 seemed like the 60% board. It seems like the default high end keyboard for almost every keyset render. Iām a big fan of its aesthetic, but was never really a fan of the typing experience. Iām hoping the new Kara-compatible guts help with the sound profile and typing experience.
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Man I really really want this board. Just not sure if I want to support RAMA after some of the recent activities heās pulled off.
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I just picked up a KARA from r/mm. Now that I think about it, the name KA(TE)RA(MA) may be changed to something else if there is a Seq3 
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This is a tough one, especially w/ a Heavy Grail in the queue. I have the M60-A and Kara. Both are great boards, but very different from one another with regards to typing feel. I expect the M60-B will fall somewhere between the M60-A and Kara, but Iām really not sure thatās worth the requisite spend and ~year wait.
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I own m65-b, been waiting for it ~1.5 year, and really want to try m60-b but (thereās always ābutā (not applicable for RNBW version)):
- RAMAās reputation going down
- No Wilba pcb
- Stock version no longer has brass pvd backweight (only with extras)
- Price +20$ comparaing to m60-a but now with cheaper materials
- Just think, m60-a weighs is 1440 gramms unbuilt according to ramaās website, materials brass backpiece(>3x heavier than aluminum) and aluminum (heavier than plastic) 4.5mm integrated plate. m60-b comes at 1600 gramms unbuilt with all aluminum case and plastic plate.
Slavas,
In regards to your observation on the price, not that I am defending the product in any particular way (especially as this is touted as being redesigned from the ground up when it is essentially an aluminum KARA) but do not forget that material prices have significantly gone up in the past year.
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No Wilba PCB / Details on who designed the new PCBās is concerning. Thereās also no Via mention on the product page 
They seem to have conflated ābackplateā and ābackweightā, but the backweight āextraā page states that " THIS IS ALREADY INCLUDED WITH THE M60-B". And (as _PixelNinja noted) the cost of materials has and continues to increase significantly). Iām actually surprised that it is only $20 more.
The PCB is a concern, but itās not like there arenāt plenty of quality PCB mfgs that are not Wilba.
Regardless, with all of the changes and turmoil, the M60-B (not to mention the M65-C and Kara seq2) isnāt quite the Rama slam dunk / no-brainer of old.
Iāve been waiting for a mute mount m60 ever since I got my U80. Iām excited, but I really hate how Rama continues to nickel and dime his GBās. I can accept the separate weight / dampener business to a point, but forcing us to buy the iconic PVD back piece is garbage. Itās the first thing people asked for when they saw the recent Instagram posts. He knows itās what people want, and is making them shell out almost another $100 for it. Itās also funny how most GBās these days offer an e-coating for a $20 premium, but his remains at $60. With the departure of his team, and his sinking reputation, these practices have a bigger chance blowing back on him than before.
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VIA is mentioned under Features & Specifications:
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Iāve always had great experience with them until the last M65-B GB. Thatās probably the same time things started to fall apart internally. I ended up having to change colorās b/c my board wouldnāt fit together properly.
I have five M60-Aās and would be all in for this GB but the drama has put me off.
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Ah, I was looking at the studio page vs the store listing, thatās reassuring
Do we know yet what PCB itās going to be, if itās not a Wilba PCB? As far as I remember, RAMAās PCBs pre-WIlba wereā¦ kind of a hit and miss, no?
If I was a betting man, Iād wager that we wonāt get any official details from Rama.
At this point I think the only way Iāll ever buy a rama product is off r/mm since I dont think i want to support him
Oh, I havenāt been following keeb stuff recently but am a big fan of Rama products and was likely going to get the new m60. Why are people down on rama products or the guy?