Hasu seems to make controllers in such a way that they just have the same profile and mounting points as their original breakout boards, so I would expect it should be an easy swap with this just as on the HHKB itself, unless it relies on accessibility of the USB hub ports on the Pro 2. (I’m blocking those for acoustic and visual-aesthetic reasons on my housing.)
Guys, please don’t hate me but I couldn’t resist (really can’t wait).
There are no photos yet of the full “Veracity Steel” version, but I wanted to test the look of the B&W keycaps.
Maybe those mockups will be useful for someone as well
I don’t know if the geometry of the sides and back is right, but a good color comparison if nothing else.
Yep, just a color composition, I didn’t want to spend a lot of time on that and like you pointed out, make the sides and back a bit extended (right angle).
BTW: Because of those mockups, I purchased a set of “white blanks” as well for my black HHKB Type-S
Don’t worry, I’ll heave a real photo of exactly this housing to offer up soon. I shot mine with the blank black caps, it’ll make the Photoshopping easier anyway if you want to play with other sets. In the meantime, @dom’s mockups are impressively serviceable.
Hello, does it supports Hybrid Type-s?
Talking about the sliders that are less thick to compensate for the silence rings…
Unfortunately, the answer is “sort of.” As discussed above, the silenced housings are slightly taller, and my housings is designed to replicate the standard HHKB housings. It looks like you can actually use the silenced sliders in my housing, but that post implies you would experience slightly reduced tactility and the key height would be changed by 0.5mm compared to non-silenced. Topre actually used to sell silenced HHKBs in exactly this state, so it’s likely not catastrophic, but still not a 1:1 translation of the experience from stock silenced to my plate.
Are u sure about this? I putted the slider of a type s with the silence ring on my classic and compared it to a stock slider+ DESKEYS # 3 and they feel the same
The type s slider base is a little tinner then a stock slider so it compensate for the thicker silent ring on the type s
Are u sure about this? I putted the slider of a type s with the silence ring on my classic and compared it to a stock slider+ DESKEYS # 3 and they feel the same
The type s slider base is a little tinner then a stock slider so it compensate for the thicker silent ring on the type s
I’m actually not 100% sure because I haven’t verified this myself since I don’t own any Type S HHKBs. However, @btctopre’s post mentions that some of the early HHKBs didn’t have the taller slider housings but the newer ones do, so perhaps you just have one with the shorter standard slider housings. If that is the case, your experience in one of my plates would be very similar to your current configuration.
It’s made on jenuary, so 1 month ago… idk, feels really the same plus if i loock for how much the feets of the sliders goes down they are at the same hight. I can’t really see any difference, maybe we are talking Of like 0.2 or something
I’ve never owned a HHKB Type-S, but the measurements come from others who used calipers to determine the dimensions of each slider, so I assume they’re correct.
And the reason you can’t really tell the difference between the two is because key travel on a Type-S slider is 3.8mm, but key travel on a stock slider with a DES #3 would be 3.7mm (4mm - 0.3mm), so they’d be fairly close (and potentially even closer if the DES rings compress more than the stock rings).
You’re still looking at a quieter key press on the Type-S slider though (which can be difficult to compare side-by-side because each key has its own sound profile and the different slider base impacts the sound produced as well).
@norbauer Actually none of the HHKB’s have the taller slider housings, it was a Realforce thing and it only lasted for ~800 keyboards before they went back to using standard-height 1u housings (I believe only the modifiers on Realforces have the taller housings now, but the HHKB still is standard-height all-around).
Then i have a question. What if i just use the type s sliders (without silence rings) on the classic, i will ended up with a keytravel or 4.2 then? Counting the thinner base of the type s slider i suppose i increese the overall travel right?
Basicly i have a classic and a type s, i don’t like the type s battery compartment so i will gift it to a friend but i was thinking of taking out the sliders from it and use them on my classic.
Why?(the sound is more of a “thonk” since the silent rings on the are thicker)
So for me between a classic with deskeys 3 and a type s sliders with original silent rings doesn’t really change anythink on tactility right? Just better sound
Does swapping the sliders will have some effects that i’m not thinking about or not realising?
Does the 2 spacebar stabs (right and left stabilizing the spacebr keycap) between typs s and classic have different height? They look the same to me…
So in the future if i get tired of the silence rings i can remove them and i will get back to a keytravel to 4 or 4.2mm or will not work properly? (Since i use the type s sliders that hve the same height of normals but the base is thinner)
I think it’s closer to 4.3mm (the OEM 1u silencing ring is ~0.5mm), but yep- that’d be the end result.
There’s no real issue with swapping the sliders. The Type-S sliders might wobble slightly more than the stock sliders due having slightly shorter “legs”, but Topre users have been swapping the Realforce Type-S sliders into HHKB’s for years and I’ve never heard of anyone having any issues with them (other than some not liking the wobble, as they have even shorter legs than HHKB Type-S sliders). I think only the Hi-Pro sliders have issues because they barrel of the slider is smaller in diameter than stock/Typre-S, so there is substantially more wobble in the “stock” housing when using them (and it’s very bad).
And the spacebar stabs are the same.
So i will ended up basicly with a classic type s that they haven’t made yet right?
If they make a classic type s version they will just do what i’m thinking here, using the type s sliders and silent rings…?
There are any other meaningfull differences to keep on mind between my “self-made classic type s” and a original classic type s?
Also i actually notice the opposite of what you said, i feel like the type s sliders are less wobbly then the stock ones, super solid on the board. At least on the type s board, i haven’t did the swap yet to the classic.
Oh, thanks for clarifying @btctopre. I assumed that with the RF housings you were just illustrating a concept that applied to the Type S HHKBs.
Yes, if they make a classic Type-S, they’ll basically just be doing what you’re doing (swapping Type-S sliders in to a Classic case and stamping it Type-S). Other than that, if PFU offered a Classic Type-S, then I assume they’d offer the ability to program the keyboard out of the box as well as a value add (but you can already enable this on the Classic by toggling a setting in the programming software).
@norbauer it’s a concept that I was kind of throwing out in an infodump to you to hopefully get you thinking about some sort of a Type-S Heavy Grail plate long-term
I did purchase a caliper and measured the revision A purple housings and the standard black housings, and confirmed that the height of the “ceiling” from the base of the housing is ~9.2mm on the purple housing compared to ~8.7mm on the black. So you have either 0.5mm to play with in the purple housing using the stock sliders (so just add DES #5 for easy silencing, which is basically what they did in the Rev. A 108UH-S for silencing), or a full mm to play with when using the Realforce purple sliders (allowing for a super thick ring, or combination of ring + silencing pad on the underside of the housing).
this is off topic but could you direct me to the setting one toggles to enable programmability on the classic?
it’s the “isKeymapChangeable” setting underneath your keyboard model located in this file for the keymap software- Program Files\PFU\Happy Hacking Keyboard Keymap Tool\keyboardDataList.json
full instructions and a pre-configured file that makes all classics configurable can be found here: Remapping the 2019 HHKB Classic
So they will really don’t change anything else on the “classic type-s” just sliders and silent rings ? Feels scary to make you pay 80/100$ extra for that. The rest of the keyboard (other then the typs-s logo) is exactly the same? Everything same height, top case, bottom case etc?
Thanks you for all the answers btw, i really appreciate!
Just to let you know, i made this sorbothane sheet to put it inside, to you have any experience or any picture of what it should look?
I got this 1/10" thick sheet and i did my best to match the top/bottom case but i’m sure there is a better shape for it! A picture of someone who did it will be amazing!