MOMOKA Frog Switches

Switches are now on their way :sunglasses:

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:pray:

I have some coming as well. I chose to order directly from Momoka, and not Dorp :stuck_out_tongue: I’m thinking these could be a good matchup for tray mount cases or those boards with a typically harsh bottoming out feel.

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Got mine in from ThocKeys today; just fidgeting with one at work before I try them at home in the GK tonight. They do feel pretty darn stable. The spring is nice (reminds me of a Yellow off-hand) and they’re even reasonably smooth i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶f̶a̶c̶t̶o̶r̶y̶-̶d̶r̶y̶ ̶s̶t̶a̶t̶e̶ -definitely looking forward to seeing how these respond to some (other) GPL.

Edit: thanks for the correction, @zev!

I think from ThocKeys, they come pre-lubed, not dry. From the main site, they say the build the switch parts, then “greasing: Ex-Factory, GP105”. I have been using mine as they arrived (did not manually re-lube) and they feel pretty nice, I think it was a pretty good stock lube job :slight_smile:

Some first-night impressions:

TL;DR: They’re good. Well above average, but there are quirks. Lower activation and an odd, if very mild resistance to the feel. If we’ve got “skate” and “butter” maybe these are… “mochi”? Between the two classical descriptions, definitely more on the butter side of things.


Stability: It isn’t that there’s less wobble when I put tweezers to the stem and move them back and forth, but that there’s less of the stem rattling about the housing on its way up and down the travel. In that way, they remind me of Gateron Caps - and in general they remind me of Yellows with a slow-curve feel. It does seem like there’s very good fitment between the top and bottom housings.


Smoothness: So this is overall very positive - I’d call it a “smooth” switch - but it’s also a mixed-bag, and I don’t mean inconsistency. In fact, the lube job itself is quite above-average as far as facory applications go. But - there’s another factor at work here, and (I think) that’s the interaction between the upper stem shroud and the top housing.

I don’t know how much that shroud contributes to the stable-feeling travel, but I do think it contributes to a somewhat bind-y feeling with these switches on off-center or especially slow presses. It’s not exactly the same, but not super different from the mild “sticky” feeling that factory Creams have. Side-by-side with Ink Yellows in this regard, there is:

  • Less texture
  • More stability in travel
  • More smoothness
  • More resistance
  • Similar weighting through travel

Now - what’s different about these Frogs when compared to Creams, is that (no surprise) they are a lot less textured and scratchy. It also does seem more consistent during the travel, even when pressed slowly, as opposed to having a start-stop feeling like the Creams. For frictional resistance, it has smoothness of a kind. See what I mean about mixed bag?

As much time as I’m spending trying to describe it, I do feel the need to say again - that friction is mild, consistent to lateral pressure, and these switches are generally quite smooth when typing.

Not too bad to look at, really.

One other thing when pressing the switch really slowly, you might sometimes be able to just barely feel the leaf let-go of the stem.


Lube: About that specifically, it looks to be a light (for a factory) application of light grease targeted to the legs and leaf:

I don’t think 105 holds its shape like that, but it’s smooth, whatever it is.

A little dab here, a little dab there…

Justa wee clart flippin’ updare, loika prhepskeul hairkot…

Not bad at all for coming right out of the bag. Most factory lube jobs are usually all over the place and too heavy - these are remarkably targeted and reserved in comparison. I couldn’t even see it on the stem without my magnifier.


Sound: These first impressions are with ABS MT3 caps, which automatically add thock to everything, but these do have a nice understated, clean, thocky sound. I like it. I did briefly try a cheap pudding cap on the top row and while that was higher pitched the bottom-out retains its clean, deep feeling. Stop.

The top-out isn’t as clean-sounding, at least not straight from the bag - but it’s still not bad at all. Here’s a quick-and-dirty with my phone:

You might hear a bit of ping; it’s nothing crazy but it’s there.


Bottom-out feel: Decidedly not harsh. It’s no silent and it’s not exactly quiet - but again, understated. With it’s lower actuation and slight material resistance to the travel, these pretty much encourage you to bottom-out; lightly - but also don’t punish you for enthusiasm. I think I like that.


Weight: Ah, ignoring stats for a minute, these feel “medium-heavy” to me - again, not unlike a Yellow. Satisfying to use, but just heavy enough to be a little tiring. I’m not sure how much of that is the spring, and how much of it is angle and tall caps exaggerating the friction effect.


I’ll be trying these with other profiles and other keyboards in the near future, and I’ll let you know if I find anything else interesting!

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Wow, I think I’m sold. Big props to @MOMOKA or delivering a solid switch even in the face of skepticism from all angles from the community!

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Great write up as usual Deadeye! I think one thing you forgot was that the lower activation was supposed to be a feature, not necessarily a quirk. Although how you feel about this in practice probably comes down to preference :+1:

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Thanks much! I enjoy that people enjoy it.

Ah, perhaps I should have worded that “quirky feature” - I do know the lower activation is intended. I also wouldn’t be surprised if that light mechanical resistance was intended as well; I have a hunch that is helping with the stability during travel.

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Aright y’all, here’s the review of the Momoka FROG Linear switches:
Video: Momoka FROG Linear switch review - YouTube
Written: Momoka FROG Linear – KeebWorks

A big THANK YOU to @MOMOKA for giving me this opportunity. Can’t wait for those hall-effects to come into action!

(I’ll continue to upload any relevant information on the website if anything surfaces).

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Nice! Liked, subscribed, and bell icon SMASHED. Great review buddy.

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I’m still waiting on my switches image

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I feel you! I was joking just yesterday that I thought I’d located the in-stock Water Kings I’d ordered a month+ ago:

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Got mine today. Can attest to this review being spot-on.

My short take: nice factory lubed switches that look pretty and feel stable. If they were 5 pin I would probably consider them on more boards. For now, these will be hot swap only. And a positive thing about them is that the housing size is really good for hot swap. Very easy to get in and out of the plate.

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Ahoy - thought I’d let you know that Kono is doing a GB of these:

I think these are very worth it at 50 cents apiece - if you need a quality 3-pin linear, Frogs are a great option. Smooth, stable, and compatible with anything - more butter than skate, and of course, very RGB-friendly.

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You know, I swore I wouldn’t buy any more linears yet here I am. I’d had my eye on these so I’m in for a batch.

I bought a batch from mku a few weeks ago and really impressed. If you are allergic to loobing these are easily the smoothest, most consistent factory loob switch I’ve used. Will probably get more.

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This looks interesting. Would you say the bottom out is soft? Do you know how they feel compared to topre’s bottom-out feel or MX silent switches’ bottom-out feel?

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Not that soft; there’s no give at bottom-out and no soft pads. It’s more like a gentle knock with a knuckle vs a steel door knocker, if that makes sense.

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They really are quite nice. I almost built my Haus with them, but decided to put them in my Sangeo60 that will be here next week. Plan to use them stock.

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