Noob here - Need a decision on switches, and any other recommendations

I am preparing to order a Glorious GMMK3 Pro barebones. I am coming from using a Corsair K70 RGB for the past 6 years, which is a 100% size mechanical board with cherry MX browns. It has been great but I am about to RMA my 2nd one due to the RGB’s failing so I am looking to move away from Corsair, or prefab boards in general.

I cant link it but here’s the description on Amazon: Glorious Gaming - GMMK 3 PRO Barebones Custom Keyboard Kit w/Knob, Custom Modular Aluminum Body & Gasket System, Hotswappable 100% Keyboard, Sound Dampening Foam, Aluminum Switch Plate ANSI (Black)

My only requirements in a board are it has to be 100% in size, must have a volume knob, and RGB.

The PCB on this Glorious keyboard has RGB lights, which I was hoping to avoid due to the issues with my Corsair keyboards. I was hoping to get a keyboard where the RGB existed only in the switches so if one goes out, I can just replace a switch. Does this mean I should not get switches with RGB, or is it normal to have 2 RGB per key? I was considering the Cherry MX 2a browns with RGB but will take any other recommendations. This is my first mechanical build so I know next to nothing about components.

Is there anything else I should consider ordering along with this to improve the functionality, or is it ready to go out of the box ones built?

Thanks

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This hobby is, even more than many others, about feel and preference, but that being said, I don’t think you’ll find many people who think the GMMK boards are a particularly good value. Some might recommend a Keychron Q6 or V6. Other brands with well regarded full-size that may be missing knob and/or hotswap wouId be Ducky, Leopold, Monsgeek, and I’m sure others will chime in. If you can compromise just a bit and move to the slightly compressed 96%/1800 layouts, your options in the custom space get significantly better still. As far as I know, the GMMK is not a bad board though, just maybe a bit overpriced unless you’re in love with it, although I do hear criticism of its customization software.

As for switches, it’s very rare for modern boards to have RGB integrated into the switches, if it ever was. Some older designs had through-hole LEDs slipped through the openings in the housing meant for that (originally for on-key lock lights), and some might even be molded into the switch semi-permanently. I only have one board like that myself, a 70% gaming board that I got years ago when I wanted a mechanical board but wasn’t (knowingly) part of the hobby (I still replaced its gamer keycaps with some gray OEM with a red Esc and drilled a hole in Caps lock to let its LED through… tinkerers gonna tinker :rofl:).

Modern boards will almost always have the LEDs surface-mount soldered to the circuit board, I’d wager similar to your Corsair, though brands focused on keyboards as their core product will usually take more care to make sure they work, at least given similar price points. Even the Cherry MX2a Brown “RGB” swtiches don’t really have an LED integrated, just a nice diffuser to make the PCB LEDs look better.

As for other considerations, many people who are uncertain about their switch preferences will prefer a hotswap board which can, with care, have its switches changed without soldering. Do you know which type you really like? The browns are “tactile,” which I like to describe to new folks as “like your membrane keyboard, but better,” although you’ll be familiar with the often criticized but serviceable MX Brown in your Corsair. Tactiles all have some sort of bump built into the pressing action, but the best are quite smooth before and after. Then there are clickies, which of course make noise on purpose, though the hobby has moved way beyond your average chattering “blue” switches. Finally, there are linears, which have no feedback except the spring and bottoming out, but I’m vastly oversimplifying and there any number of variables that make many enthusiasts pick linears as their favorites.

Finally, if you get a fully programmable board, QMK/VIAL is the most common way you’ll see it marketed, you might be able to live without the knob, as any combination you can think of can be programmed to handle your volume. Personally, if I have enough other navigation keys, I like to put it on Fn + Up and Down, with left for mute and right for Play/Pause. The point is that you can do anything.

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The Keychron Q and V-series has basically been made to your requirements.

Replacing RGB components is not based on the switches, which only project or diffuse the light in certain ways.

MX Browns are a good starting point, including the new MX2A. You can always go to something else later. Cherry also makes ‘more tactile Browns’ in the form of Cherry MX Ergo Clears and Cherry MX Purple, which are similar to MX Brown but with a sharper and larger bump, and heavier spring.

People are really enjoying Gateron Beer / Mini i and AKKO Creamy Purple Pro as a light-tactile these days, so that’s something to consider as well.

I am not familiar with the large GMMK boards, but if they have a 100% with a knob, it is probably okay but overpriced as wjrii says.

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@wjrii I originally had my eyes on the Keychron Q6 100%, but I came across a review that said the knob wasn’t great - specifically the amount of turn needed to adjust the volume was not right and it sometimes doesn’t register a turn, and that immediately turned me off. Plus, the placement of the knob on that board is a little weird.

I had a feeling that the switch was just carrying the PCB RGB but I wanted to confirm. Some switches are marketed as “RGB”, so its a little misleading, but I get it.

Regarding my need for a knob, it’s just how I operate. I understand I can accomplish changing the volume with a combination of keys, but I love the idea of having a dedicated knob for volume, with a push to mute.

@HungerMechanic As posted above re: the Keychron, it was the first board I had my eyes on but feedback on the knob turned me off. The placement of the knob isn’t ideal either, but that would not be deal breaker as long as the knob worked perfectly.

To be honest with you, I can’t interpret what people say a switch feels like to reality. All I know for sure is my current Corsair has Cherry MX Browns, I am used to it, and I like it. Not to say I would not enjoy another switch, but I’d hate to pick one at random without experiencing it. With the browns I know what I am getting.

Regarding price, yeah the GMMK is $240 for the barebones, around $100 for switches and key caps, so $340ish total. Not ideal but I fortunately do not really have a budget, granted I would like to spend less. Before I pull the trigger on the Glorious I will take a second look at the Keychron.

Also worth noting that the Keychron barebones is $175 compared to Glorious @ $240, so the price difference is there but not crazy. Keychron is sold out and I’m not sure how long they take to restock.

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Yes, Keychron is often out-of-stock.

It’s too bad about the knob on the Keychron. There aren’t really many options in the 100% space. Maybe going to an 1800-layout might give you more options, as suggested earlier.

But I can understand wanting a full-sized keyboard. Have you considered maybe an external knob, on its’ own USB connection? That way, you could pick any 100% board.

As for the MX Browns, they are one of the most popular mechanical switch types in active production. And you are familiar with it. It’s fine. There are some similar switches, such as SP Star Meteor Orange and KTT Macaron Orange, so those might be worth considering at some time, as well. There are also ‘Brown +’ switches like Gateron Jupiter Brown, TTC Gold Brown Pro, and Durock White Lotus to maybe consider later.

I wonder if anyone has ever modded the Keychron knob. People make changes to those keyboards all the time, and post about it on the internet.

@HungerMechanic To be honest I didn’t even realize 1800 existed. I just looked it up and I think I could live with it, if I found something I liked with a knob. Not taking the Glorious off the table yet, as it checks all of the boxes, but I am open to other keyboards in the 1800 camp. On second thought, if it has a different feel due to being compact, i may take that back. It may get annoying transitioning between my full size at work and the compact at home…or maybe not, im sure many do it.

Is Keychron superior to Glorious? If it’s the difference of $6% that gives it the edge then that’s a different story. Just want to know if Glorious is crap and I didn’t do enough research to realize that yet.

I do not want to mess with an external knob. I have a knob on my PC speakers within reach, so I technically always have a knob, but the OCD in me wants it integrated into the keyboard.

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Could you provide a link to the GMMK? I would need to see it to evaluate it against the Keychron.

The 1800 is a pretty full-featured keyboard layout. But I suspect muscle memory might be a bit off from a 100% board. Not by a whole lot though.

The forum sadly isnt letting me post links.

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@HungerMechanic here’s the GMMK 3 PRO Barebones Keyboard.

(posting for @RPM since they don’t have link access yet)

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Here’s what I gleaned from some superficial research:

-LEDs on at least some boards are North-facing, which isn’t ideal for Cherry-profile, but better for lighting. You might be able to choose between North and South-facing.

-the sound produced by the board does not justify its price-tag. The switches that come with the ‘loaded’ models may be responsible for worsening sound, though.

-the sound is better than previous models. It’s like a higher-pitched Keychron Q1.

-not many people own one. Getting advice from modders will be more challenging.

-it is comparable in feature set to the Keychron. Including the level of customization.


Overall, I would say that it has comparable features to the Keychron, but is more expensive. Only the barebones model is somewhat reasonable, as the ‘loaded’ ones are far too expensive for what they offer.

I think that the only reason to purchase this would be to choose between north-facing and south-facing LEDs [if possible] and if the knob is better than on the Keychron.

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Thanks for the feedback. I am planning to go barebones and buy switches and keycaps.

I am going to look for more reviews that mention the knob on the Keychron. I hate to base my decision on the one review. Could just be the persons opinion on a perfect knob, or a faulty knob that the one person got. You’d think Keychron vetted the knob pretty well before deciding to use it on their boards.

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If you don’t need the rotary, but want to go with south facing (Cherry compatible) switches, VIA/QMK configurability and customizable RGB in an compact 1800, you can’t go wrong with the gasket mount, CNC-milled aluminum MonsGeek M2

Switch suggestions
Linear

Tactile

Clicky

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Rotary is one of my main requirements.

What is the difference/impact of north vs south RGB. Does north only allow the top of the keys to be lit while south allows for the front of the cap to be lit?

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North-facing is the typical ‘gaming-board’ configuration. It is the best at lighting up the legends right on the keycap surface. It provides fuller, keycap-facing lighting in general.

South-facing is the intended configuration for MX switches. They are seated the ‘correct’ way. This prevents the alleged R3 interference with Cherry-profile. Some people notice that on North-facing PCBs, the Row 3 Cherry-profile keycaps get interfered with by the switch housings while typing. But it’s subtle.

The South-facing is worse for lighting. It generally directs the light below and to the bottom of the keycap. Often into your eye, as you can see the LED shining directly at you. It’s okay if you’re not using keycaps that illuminate in any way, as it will just provide some lighting on your keyboard. But it won’t evenly light most keycaps that have illuminated legends.

[You would want to use keycaps that have illuminating legends on the bottom side of the keycap, ideally, if going with South-facing LEDs. As that can work well.]


I was also going to recommend the Monsgeek models, as they are nice. But they don’t have a knob.

It would be best, as you suggest, to find out more information about the Keychron knob. It may be that a single bad review is biasing your results.

Is the advantage of the Keychron over Glorious only price?

As far as I can tell, the Keychron has the following advantages:

-price
-possibly better sound
-options for different plate materials
-choice of plastic or metal case (V versus Q-series)
-slightly more effective gasket
-much larger customer base, which makes obtaining customization information easier

The GMMK would have the advantage of being able to have North-facing LEDs, if desired, and it is possible that the knob is better.

I only want to use keys with the numbers/letters on the top, does that mean I am better off with GMMK.

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A GMMK with north-facing LEDs would be better for keycap illumination. If you plan on using keycaps where the letters light up.

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Yeah, you’ve got a lot of pushback, and I think much of it with good reason, but ultimately, if you’re willing to pay an extra fifty bucks for the differences between a Q6 and GMMK 3 Pro barebones, you’re unlikely to regret the decision. It’s not like it will fall apart or blow up under your fingers or anything. :slight_smile:

Full size, backlit, high profile aluminum case, with knob… that just leaves you with only a very small number of options. I would say poke around to see if there’s an 1800 you might like, and if you really do enjoy Browns, Das Keyboard has some backlit aluminum (top cases at least) 100% boards with big-ass knobs.

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Thanks for the feedback guys, I appreciate it. Going to take a second look at the Q6 but likely will go with the GMMK 3 Pro.

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