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Fair, but that’s on them (not TG) and (I suspect) has more to do with the lack of other people doing similar work than it is a product of how he talks about switches; a vacuum exists and he’s one of the only people filling it. There are, of course, Twitch/Youtube reviewers but their work is… not as searchable and usually lacking in any kind of thoroughness/rigor, which stinks. Other fields of products have a huge advantage over ours in that they have lots of reviewers poring over the same products and people can seek out the ones whose tastes align with their own (or whose tastes are simply very obvious and their observations can be metered based on those).

I don’t know that “score padding” is entirely accurate, since they’re just subjective things that account for his personal taste and interest, which are totally normal in reviews of any product or media (but especially here in keyboards where most things are deeply subjective). This is equivalent to, for instance, me saying that I like sharp tactiles more than rounded tactiles; he has just attached numbers to that in a way I don’t. TG actually provides a “Hard Total” composite score sheet in his linked Switch Scores github that has these removed from the scores for people who don’t want his taste included in things.

Sure, but nobody’s board is really equivalent to anybody else’s board, so I have a hard time imagining a world where full board testing produces meaningfully more useful results and insights than on-tester testing—which is actually an achievable standardization for anybody—can produce. But I’d love to see more people doing it! And I want more people to fill up this space with their thoughts and findings on switches!

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Y’all, I’m in the Ohio discord group with the guy and he’ll be THE FIRST (like jumps on the opportunity) to question and disregard anyone who takes his reviews without the smallest grain of salt. He’s really been pretty embarrassed about the whole ‘pedestal’ issue. He’s always saying he just writes these reviews for fun.

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Hey ajoflo,

I recognize you from somewhere but apologies if you asked me this elsewhere and I missed it. JWK has outright stated that they do not believe that the mold differences between V1 (Type A) and V2 (Type B) molds lead to any significant difference in performance. What I wanted to try and highlight here is that I do believe that a large part of their noted push feel improvement is lube over mold differentiation as many people will just blankly point to the score and my statements about how “much better” V2s are than V1s and attribute to molds. I won’t lie, I could have worded it a bit better.

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I most certainly am not of the mind that the more I type, the more of a subject matter expert I am, first of all. I, in fact, often tell people to drop the nonsense pedestal that people put reviewers on when they are discussing switches with me. I actually hardly think I am a subject matter area expert on it, at all, and I think M_er_sun astutely pointed that I usually tell people to ‘fuck off’ whenever they openly fawn over me like some expert - I am just a dude with some switches.

Secondly, I wholeheartedly think you should take my work with a grain of salt. Everyone should. I am a reviewer who is giving my opinion on what I feel in long form, comedic takes as that is the type of content that I personally appreciate. I don’t watch tech youtubers, and I’ve only recently began to watch any Twitch keyboard people. I’ve grown in the last five years through undergraduate research to come to appreciate the long form, complex, and often overly-detailed research paper and believed I could provide that level of content to the people here since a lot of switch discussions become reduced to superlatives.

Thirdly, my reviews are not just done on a single switch, hence the pictures of multiple of them in the photos. In fact, I think the only time I ever reviewed single switches was for my Nixie review, and I’m sure you can understand why. Do I have an entire board of switches? Absolutely not, I don’t have that kind of money. Do I usually have somewhere between 5 and 10 to test? Absolutely, and I often request at least a couple from anyone who willingly sends me stuff. I’m also extremely open about this process because I think that’s the proper thing to do.

Fourth(ly?), Context and Other do not pad the stats. I’ve provided ample descriptions in the past as to what exactly constitute those scores and I would agree things like historical importance, longevity, availability, pricing, etc. are all subject to change over time. This is why I plan on sitting down and eventually readjusting scores based on these metrics (and some more objective ones) and discussing my rationale for why.

TLDR:
I make these reviews as a public resource that I would enjoy and to provide something that I think the community is lacking. It’s not perfect, but then again nobody’s content is. I’m glad you’ve raised these concerns, and while I think a few of them are a bit mischaracterized, I can understand why you feel that way. Feel free to support me as little or as much as you like as my goal is to help at least one person out there and it doesn’t necessarily have to be you. I hope I have helped you at least a tiny bit, though.

-Cheers

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Ahoy, Mr. Goat. I’m glad to see you here, though I would it were under somewhat different circumstances.

I think by virtue of so few people giving the level of attention to switches that you do, your reviews have ended up somewhat of a gold standard, intentional or no. Through sharing your passion, I think you may have inadvertently raised the bar when it comes to the content of switch reviews, which may have positioned them in a place you never intended them to sit.

I think the clarification in your latest review and that you’ve posted here will be helpful in setting a tone through which people can enjoy your work; maybe a sticky on your site overviewing your approach will be helpful in managing peoples expectations. Over the years, I’ve learned that expectation management is one of the most important, and overlooked aspects of public presence - whether its as a business, a creator, or something else.

It seems to me some folks are, consciously or unconsciously, expecting unrealistic levels of pure objectivity by virtue of your writing skill, consistency, and the level of detail you afford to your reviews. When someone’s work gains popularity as yours has, I believe it’s only a good thing to remind newcomers and old fans alike why you’re doing what you do in the first place, and how you like to do it.

Say all that to say, I very much enjoy your writing on switches, and your own enjoyment of the hobby (and writing itself) comes through in them - and that’s one thing I’d like to see stay the same. I do use your reviews for some degree of objective information (you def sold me on the Water Kings I got in the mail today), but I’m mostly there to enjoy your writing. Enjoying lightly-salted Goat words is one of my favorite ways to pass extra time.

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No worries at all bud. Got it. I had a total misconception of how molds are managed and monetized. I appreciate the clarification. Keep up the great work!

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Not really keyboard related, but today I learned that Nashville tests their tornado sirens at noon on the first Saturday of every month.

Apparently, I’m not usually awake yet by noon on a Saturday (I work 2nd shift) because I’ve lived here a few years and had to look up why it sounded like an air raid was coming just now. :upside_down_face:

Here’s a recording from the last time I heard them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjer76KGkO0

That was a “stay away from your windows” kinda day.

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The east/west cross on a mx switch is thicker then the north/south one. I had some blank junky PBT DSA keycaps for testing, they definately only go in 2 out of the 4 different ways. Every other keycap I have doesn’t matter.

(I know there was some box switch tolerance issues cracking stems a while ago but that was before my time in the hobby)

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The NMB dome with slider version of the Dell QuietKey keyboard has one of those longboi springs that sits on left side of the spacebar surprisingly. No idea why this is though…maybe to make the spacebar heavier like in old mechs?

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In my experience on older boards like this the spring is likely there to help the spacebar return. If the domes are on the lighter side, the spacebar may have been sluggish without it. You can easily test that theory :slight_smile:

I’ve just tested it and the spacebar returns fine without the spring. It adds a bit of weight to the spacebar, but I barely notice it (maybe that’s the point?). My other NMB dome with slider board doesn’t have a spring to speak of.

I’ll assume it was just a Dell thing lol

Funny enough, this actually happens every Wednesday at Noon here in Ohio. I’ve heard of a lot of places having random testing of this at the top of the month, but Ohio is one of the only ones I’ve heard of testing it on a weekly basis.

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We have that on the first non-holiday Monday of every quarter of the year in Sweden.

Up here in Northeastern Ohio, it’s probably closer to a monthly phenomenon (testing that is) as the terrain isn’t as flat as central portions, but it’s still a common sound throughout the warmer months. We tend to get more quick microbursts than tornedos in the area.

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Memphis area we have it every Saturday at noon.

Howdy fellow Ohioan.

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There’s a keyboard monument. Right on. Sort of wish it was a 60%, but the sublegends are a nice touch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_Monument

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In 2019 a survey by national search engine Yandex found that Keyboard Monument was the 2nd most searched monument among all of Russia’s numerous famous monuments.

Wow, that’s awesome.

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https://jlcpcb.com/ added Aluminum PCBs to their website over the last few days!

Currently prices are the same between FR-4 and Aluminum. Aluminum is only one layer though so PCB printing as is probably not possible but I can’t think of a cheaper way to get an aluminum plate (5x plates custom made < $50 with shipping :eyes: )

Edit: I followed this guide, How to Create an FR4 Plate - Scott Watermasysk, to generate a file JLC would accept (I added 3 vias and a trace through them). The Gerber view on my ordered was a bit messed up showing no mask and weird things were not cut out but they did make it correctly)

Edit 2: Someone from 40% discord tried to order a plate 2 days ago and JLC cancelled it saying the won’t do an aluminum board for such kind of design with many cut outs… I still think eventually it can be snuck in. Just new now so they are probably extra cautious.

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That’s a great news!

I already manufactured aluminium PCB plates with PCBWay, and those a expensive for just 5 plates (150€ if I recall).
Having a cheaper alternative is always nice.

I do love aluminium PCB plates, same flex as laser cut bare aluminium but less pingy due to the thin FR4 substrate on the top that dampens vibrations.

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