Disclaimer: I am not AGAINST keebtalk outright. I am unhappy with its method of inception, and skeptical of its longevity and motivations. I love what all involved parties do on their own, and they do great work.
Here’s my background. I’ve been in the keyboard community for a couple years, not long I know. But I’ve been very active. I have 5 years experience as a web developer, web designer, and 1 yr experience as a product manager. I was mostly active on reddit, with some participation on discord and geekhack.
Before the launch of KeebTalk and after the announcement MD bought geekhack, I posted on geekhack, reddit, and discord, that I was primarily trying to keep the community from splintering by starting a bunch of mediocre forums. So I started a discord server for all people interested in starting their own forum to collaborate and work together to launch the best product for the community. I am not trying to benefit. I am simply trying to help build a specifically community first forum. The goal of our discussion was NOT to create a forum for people to move to NOW, but to be prepared if MassDrop did mess GeekHack up. I am also personally very skeptical of MassDrop for several reasons.
We have been actively discussing it for the last few days. That discussion can be found here: https://discord.gg/7UhAAGM
Here’s my opinion on KeebTalk
The biggest issue is that they did not choose the best platform. They jumped on the easiest platform (Discourse) because it was the quickest to set up and had some nice features.
They did this because they were worried about getting the traction of people who were upset with geekhack. And my opinion on this is that anyone who was worried about traction is doing it for the wrong reasons.
If everyone actually joined together with the community to discuss and figure out we could build a forum that didnt have server hosting issues, had a design that was close enough to geekhack but not as old fashioned, and ultimately had features that benefited the community MORE than geekhack did.
This site is currently run on, discourse.org. This is NOT a sustainable platform for this community.
This is the hosting they’re using pricing options here: https://www.discoursehosting.com/pricing/
In our discord linked above, several of us with long term web experience discussed using Discourse and aside from the fact that we did not think it was suitable for the community, we also did not believe that it was sustainable. It’s not a very sleek platform on the backend. It will be expensive in the long run.
Things we discussed in the community discord about what we’d like to see in the situation where MassDrop does mess up geekhack.
- Using Patreon donations to support the server costs
- Using ad revenue to support system costs
- Allowing a higher patereon supporter to have an ad free experience
- Custom accessories made ONLY for the forum are the only things allowed to be sold directly by the site
- Direct tracking of GBs and ICs built into the site
- Specifically avoiding having specific vendors benefit more than other vendors from any part of the structure of the site. (edit, added italic words)
- Use more scaleable software that can handle thousands of page refreshes during raffles and thousands of image hosts. Host on AWS or similar. Use more scaleable code.
THESE are the kinds of ideas you can get when you take your time and collectively discuss things as a community.
I am disappointed that these awesome people involved in this project jumped to a conclusion and made a subpar product because they were worried about traction from geekhack exodus.
My goal is to NOT fracture the community further and build a platform that EVERYONE WILL WANT TO BE ON regardless of exodus or when they join it.
For the time being I’m cautiously optimistic but highly skeptical of massdrop/geekhack as well as anyone who jumps too quickly to build a forum for us.
That’s all. THANK YOU SO MUCH for reading. Hopefully you read it all and understand where I’m coming from.
If you have any more questions please ask me here. or join the discord and ping me there. That said, due to my skepticism, this is the only thread I’ll be participating in here. I do wish them the best of luck. I want this whole community to succeed more than anything.
Mr. Wolf from Space
Please read Norbauer’s reply to mine: https://www.keebtalk.com/t/a-rushed-forum-my-opinion-and-efforts-prior-to-the-launch-of-keebtalk/572/19