Cristo-Lubes Mini-Review


#21

This weekend, I tried Christo-Lube on Zilents V2 62g switches, hoping it may be the magic cure for hissing feel in Silent switches that I’m extra sensitive to.

Initial impression: they do reduce the hissing feel, particularly when the silence padding areas above and below the slider are smothered with Christo-Lube. My theory is that those paddings are touching the sides somehow, creating the hissing sensation.

  • 111 and 112 were the best: smooth yet snappy.
  • 129 felt smoother but not as snappy.
  • I also tried 205g0 and it felt as smooth as 129 but even less snappy.

I’ll post an update in a week or two after doing the full board.


#22

My theory is that those paddings are touching the sides somehow, creating the hissing sensation.

At one point I was trying to figure out why Gateron silent switches felt less smooth, and I could not get the pads to contact the slider rails consistently on each stroke. So I ruled that out as a cause.

I think the “hissing” sound is always there, but it’s masked by the “clack” of the upstroke. If you put your ear up to a non-silent switch you can hear it always makes that kind of sound, and sometimes it sounds louder after lubing than before.


#23

I think the “hissing” sound is always there, but it’s masked by the “clack” of the upstroke.

Could very well be although it’s more of a feel than sound to me and Zealios V2 switch with QMX clip doesn’t feel hissy at all. Yes, I do hear that ‘hissing’ sound with my ear next to all types of switches but the feel surfaces only with silent switches like Zilents while in use. Quite a mystery.

Anyway, my current plan is to fill the switches with Christo-Lube and move on because I can’t figure out what’s causing it.


#24

How would you compare the difference between MCG 112 and, say, Permatex grease? I tend to use the latter with stabilizers doing the regular clip/bandaid as well, and seems to work quite well and is really inexpensive.


#25

Could very well be although it’s more of a feel than sound to me and Zealios V2 switch with QMX clip doesn’t feel hissy at all. Yes, I do hear that ‘hissing’ sound with my ear next to all types of switches but the feel surfaces only with silent switches like Zilents while in use . Quite a mystery.

I have come across this issue as well with V1 Zilents & agree what you are talking about is more of a feel than sound. I originally built my Redscarf with 78g V1 Zilents, I lubed them with a mix of 204g2/VPF1514 & they had a strange slightly scratchy feel when typing at speed. If I just pressed one key, slowly or rapidly, it felt smooth but once actually typing they took on the “hissy” feel again (that is a good way of describing it since scratchy is overkill to describe the feel). I even went as far as cleaning the parts & re-lubing with 3204 which didn’t help with it.

I thought the springs were the culprit at first since they were longer & less tightly coiled than the springs in regular 78g Zealios at the time. Even after a swapping springs the issue persisted. So it is a very curious thing indeed! Not sure if this feel is just something inherent to most silent switches & we are more sensitive to it or if we just got unlucky with our batches of Zilents? The only other silent switch I have typed on enough to have an opinion of is MX Zilents (silent black stems), which did not have the same issue.


#26

So it may be limited only to Zilents. Too bad I’m not into linears. Mystery deepens. :frowning:


#27

Permatex was what I used before switching to Cristo-Lube. Permatex is fine but is sticky where Christo-Lube is not. Lack of stickiness helps when stabs start to make noise while in use and I need to add more lube because additional lube will not add more drag to the stabs, making it sluggish. It’s also easier to clean up.

Given that amount of lube needed for stabs is not much (I still have 90% of Permatex left) and how irritating stabs can get, getting a $8 jar is definitely worth it for me.


#28

$8? Oooh damn, maybe I should pick some up then. Stabs are always the thing that give me the biggest headache, so I’d like to do away with that as long as I can.


#29

If I understand what you are describing, that sounds very much like friction from the contact leaf. That is a different phenomenon.

I’d be curious to hear some audio recordings of these hissing sounds.


#30

It possibly could be that & it’s just more noticeable with the Zilents. I ended up desoldering them & putting them back in my switch stash, but I’ll put a few of them in a switch tester & do a sound test either tonight or tomorrow to give you a listen at it.


#31

If I understand what you are describing, that sounds very much like friction from the contact leaf. That is a different phenomenon.

Not sure about that. A counter evidence: I re-lubed my Zilents last night by just adding dabs of Christo-Lube directly on top of paddings and hissing feel diminished significantly. I don’t know what kind of mess mixing Christo-Lube with TriboSys 3204 will created but I can now use the switches at least. Mind you, Zilents didn’t feel hissy at first. It came on after a week or two of use.


#32

Interesting! It’s also possible that @Rob27shred is describing something different.

I’d still like to hear a recording of the hissing you experienced if you can replicate it. Is it constant throughout the stroke? Only on fast press, or on any press? Only on the way up or down, or both?

Then again, I just got my Sakurios so maybe I will hear it soon enough.

As I think I mentioned above, in my own testing with Gateron silents I was unable to get the silencing pad to make contact with the rails; but I only used brand-new switches. I wonder if over time the silicone pad deforms over time and starts to “squeeze” out sideways to the point where it starts to touch the housing rail.

Are you able to open one up and see if/where the dampening pad makes contact inside?


#33

Are you able to open one up and see if/where the dampening pad makes contact inside?

Yes and pads look a bit bent and pretty close to the side but do not visibly touch the side. That’s why I’m saying it’s a mystery. It’s as if paddings have invisible whiskers.

Re sound of hissing, it’s same general white noise one can hear from every switch. I don’t think the sound is related. As to the feel, I don’t think it’s commonly felt.