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Cyberpunk approved!

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@donpark, after your post here, I realized I never posted a follow up on my attempt of a RO-59 alternative with paraffin oil that I posted about here.

I agree with about the tremendous amount of time lost to curing with RO-59, so I figured adding straight PTFE powder to paraffin oil would mean that as the paraffin oil evaporates just the PTFE would be left behind and it seems to work better at helping the PTFE adhere to the switch housings and stems than the water-based RO-59.

I didn’t encounter any downsides to using it on my NK Dream Creams other than some oil seepage at the seams where the top and bottom housings meet, and the top housing around stem if applied too liberally.

It will separate after it sits for a while, so shaking before use is necessary.

Once mixed, it is noticeably thicker than RO-59.


Couldn’t really decide on a good name for it, so after talking to it with a friend I went with…

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Thanks for this post. I’m going to try bag lubing with the mix you suggested.

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I made this post almost a month ago and initially I concluded that the o-ring didn’t make too much of a difference when the whole assembly is mounted in top mount mode with the gummy o-ring left in place, or at least with the one that I had.

Well I tried putting in the o-ring that came with the FBTKL and this time around I hear a more definitive change. No sound test this time but to my ears it sounds like its a little bit closer in sound to the gummy o-ring mount, a little bit more isolated sound and a slight reduction in hollowness. I think the change here is the slightly larger cross section of the o-ring, which allows for more contact with the internal case to allow it to act closer to a true gasket.

If you have a top mount board its worth trying out considering the o-ring fits into the space between the pcb and the plate to begin with.

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Built the Orion 87 Fried Egg over the last week…much to my surprise I rather like the purple-ish Black Lotus switches with the white and yellow of the keyboard, which has me rethinking my aversion to that colour keycaps (why are there so many purple/pastel-purple keycap sets/accents?).

I don’t think the keycaps work particularly well (XVX Gerbera), but they were the easiest to schlepp around the world to try out. And I do rather like that profile (and know what it sounds like).

The spacebar needs some work, and I think I’ll probably take out the antenna as I have no battery to run it wireless (and probably won’t bother getting one) - fingers crossed that will help.

built it with all foam, Owlstabs and tried out several switches (well, just did a couple of test switches):

  • Black Lotus sounds the best after lubing ( my first lubed switch!)
  • Illusion (nicer stock than BL, but beaten by lubed BL)
  • Aflion Blue Sky (not as deep as I thought it would be
  • MM Wuque Studio all Pom (much more muted than I expected, and not in a good way)
  • Fried Egg (I think, just didnt like it)

Still waiting for London Fog to arrive…

couple of weird details

antenna for wireless

the screw positions seem odd to me. They interrupt the plate, make it very bendy there, but the the switches get kind of stuck on the screen-hole… :person_shrugging:

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Kit Adam #2 going together today.

EV-00 linears from closeout sale bespoke keys

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Short throw topre revival.





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Starting to deep clean the OG HHKB. Yup, I’d say that looks like about 24 years of dust and crud.

But it was also insightful! First, Control and R Shift being stabilized by a Costar-esque system. The spacebar was completely different though. It’s more similar to Topre boards that came after it save for the springs on either side of the spacebar. It’s lost one to time and I have no idea if I’ll be able to find a replacement.

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Well, almost all of my clothes are blue or shades of blue))))))))))

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Ever deeper down the rabbit hole of this hobby… :money_with_wings: :money_with_wings: :money_with_wings:

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Currently running the 24 hour break-in period with some Gateron KS-9 Pro 2.0’s.

This is from DingKeys. I went with the 4-way expansion, and also grabbed the off-center kit as well.

In the current setup, running at 75% speed, I am seeing ~310 actuations-per-minute, so 250K would take about 13.5 hours. In this clip it shows that it’s pulling 2 watts, but after about 20 to 30 minutes it is holding steady at 1 watt. I placed the PTFE tape in all of the places in which friction is occurring, as well as applying a daily liberal coating of my PTFE/Paraffin Oil mixture.

Checking in on it after several hours, the motor is barely above room temperature.

From ordering to delivery, it took about 2 months.

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I have no frame of reference on this, but the prices for the break-in machine seem surprisingly reasonable.

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Looks awesome. Let us know how the broken-in switches turned out compared to stock switches as well as other switches known to be very smooth stock.

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Really curious about this break-in thing: is it done to smoothen out friction surfaces in a faster way than normal typing to have, in the end, smooth switch operation?

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After 24 hours, these switches will have ~445K actuations, but they also come lightly lubed from the factory. Not really sure how much pre-lubing will hinder mechanical break-in, but it could be interesting to see if there is any change to the stem and housing.

After breaking this initial batch in, I plan on putting the cleaned vintage Cherry Blacks I have recently harvested in there and putting 500K on them, and then lubing and filming them for a future build.

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As with anything in this hobby, it’s the ancillary costs that can add up. Unless you have a dedicated location to run this that has some soundproofing, even with the PTFE tape and lube, it can still be fairly loud. I had a bunch of leftover KillMat from a previous modding experiment that I was able to slap several layers onto a box and use that as a soundproof housing for this and then put it in a closet on some foam, in my basement.

That works great for me as I live alone and sleep two floors up from where it was clicking away all night, but your milage may vary.

You can also choose to run it when you are out of the house, but it will take longer. Chances are if you are at the point of picking up a break-in machine, you have bo qualms with the dedication needed for getting your switches perfect. :wink:

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When you lube them, are you going to make sure you keep each slider with the housing it was broken in with?

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That’s exactly what it’s for. Starting to become less and leas relevant as modern switches are really arriving from the factory with better tolerances, smoother components, and much more even applications of factory lube.

You can peruse through several of @ThereminGoat’s reviews as they have a section towards the end that will give you an idea as to how the switches begin to “open up” after long-term breaking-in, as well as when you will begin to see diminishing returns.

Obviously, this will also decrease the lifetime of the switches, but if you are the kind of person that goes through switches fairly often and wants to use them in peak form, then this is the fastest way to get there. :+1::+1:

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